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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Einstien E=Mc^2

Why did you delete my post regarding Samuel Preston? Did you know it is well documented that he discovered this formula and not Einstein? K00la1dx (talk) 19:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Lacked a reliable source and consensus to include. VQuakr (talk) 20:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Here is a reliable source:

https://www.amazon.com/Samuel-Tolver-Preston-Father-Atomic/dp/B0B92G12YH

just read the description:

"In 1875, four years before Albert Einstein was born, Samuel Tolver Preston published an amazing book entitled "Physics of the Ether". In it he set down the now famous formula E = mc2 and thoroughly explained its implications" K00la1dx (talk) 03:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

User:K00la1dx Sorry, the name, or introduction of a book available to be bought on the Amazon page, is not accepted as a reliable source (it is not necessarily peer reviewed and discussed before being published). For a reliable source you should cite the relevant part of the actual book where your claim could be verified. Also, the reasoning and sources used by the author in question could then be assessed.

You should also probably mention the whole name of Samuel Tolver Preston when you first mentioned him (there are several notable Samuels Preston). Also, a link to the original book Preston's Physics of the Ether would be extremely welcome, because experiments seem still to show that models of the universe including ether are not valid, and it would be extremely useful if we could se how Preston dealt with that in that book.

Also, the name of the book on Amazon you propose as the source of the citation is intentionally provokative to sell the book, and, per se (= without supporting reasoning), not much more reliable as other commercials (about best cleaning agent with new powerful formula, whatever that author meant with it, etc.). E.g., if Preston's book Physics of the Etherwas not rediscovered (and known) before Bjerkman found it and published his book, how could Preston influence builders of atomic fission reactors (e.g. Fermi) and atomic bombs (see Manhattan project)? Without them knowing that, Preston might be an antecedent, but not father of atomic bomb, because his idea would have no children until Bjerkman published his book.

All that should be addressed before changes you proposed could enter - and stay - in the articles.

Please, also do not get excited if other WP users (and editors) do not yet know if/when/... Samuel Preston discovered the now famous formula; I think you yourself didn't hear of that before Bjerken's book in question was published in 2022. If you get excited about that, at least please be nice to, and not angry on yourself, and don't call yourself names about being uninformed etc. you might have already used on the others.

To User:VQuakr: please excuse me for entering discussion on your talk page about a problem regarding other pages; this might need to be moved to K00la1dx's talk page, or talk page(s) where his edit(s) were reverted. Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 07:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Preston's discovery of mass and energy is already in the wiki article:

He is known for his works (1875–1894) on the kinetic theory of gases and his attempts to combine this theory with Le Sage's theory of gravitation. In his book Physics of the Ether (1875) he claimed that if matter is subdivided into ether particles, they would travel at the speed of light and represent an enormous amount of energy. In this way, one grain of matter would contain energy equal to 1000 million foot-tons (whereby one foot-ton = 2240 foot pounds)."

I don't know why you decided to pick on me for not using citation. K00la1dx (talk) 15:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

We require reliable sources. That's not picking on you, it's universal. A self-published book is not a reliable source. VQuakr (talk) 18:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

What is your credential that you deleted my post?

Are you actually someone that has a slightest interest in physics?

You don't contemplate the context of the Samuel Preston article.

If you did, you would not be so blind that Dr. Preston's book Physics of The Ether completely defies Einstein. Quit bickering about reliable sources.

Why don't you give me a reliable source that Einstein was the discoverer of E=mc^2 in regards to Dr. Preston. If not, just read the article that currently stands. Read the wiki on Preston. It not only says that Einstein stole E=mc^2 but also stole general relativity and special relativity.

K00la1dx (talk) 22:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Having this talk page on my watch list, I'll give some comments here...

@K00la1dx: Our credentials or interest in physics, are entirely irrelevant. The only thing thing that matters here, is the reliabilty of the supplied sources. Being self-published, the source that you supplied is not reliable for Wikipedia standards. If you don't like that, there are no more than two options. The first option is to find a source that is reliable for Wikipedia standards. Failing that, the second option is to propose to modify Wikipedia's standards. You can go to Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources and ask for guidance. - DVdm (talk) 22:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for links on your user page

I used to correct evident errors (spelling etc.) before 2020 as anonymous user without knowing much of WP policies, and proposed changes to articles on talk pages. About then 2020 I created the username mostly to be able to get feedback info on my proposals, and since learned a lot - but far from enough. Because I am more of a causal than prolific editor, that also takes time...

About citations, when I see/saw that info in the article claimed unsupported by template is verifiable, I add citations (including sometimes reverting, or reintroducing; contents deleted for missing citations; it seems I did that carefully and well enough that none of those had been re-reverted yet).

But I didn't yet use templates asking for citations myself often before, and now I came on articles where I think it is needed, and tried for awhile to find again help on using those templates, unsuccessfully til I found link on maintenance on your user page, so thanks for having it (with other useful stuff) there. Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 07:40, 30 May 2024 (UTC)