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Discussion for Today[edit]
- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_June_2
June 2[edit]
NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]
Category:10th-century Spanish artists[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:10th-century Spanish artists to Category:Medieval Spanish artists and Category:10th-century artists
- Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. Isolated category. Mason (talk) 19:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Earthquakes in the Umayyad Caliphate[edit]
Category:Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Specifies what's in the category The Midnite Wolf (talk) 18:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire to Category:Seljuk Empire
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Government of the Aq Qoyunlu[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Government of the Aq Qoyunlu to Category:Aq Qoyunlu
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Government of the Ghaznavid Empire to Category:Ghaznavid Empire
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Government of the Timurid Empire[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Government of the Timurid Empire to Category:Timurid Empire
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Pretenders part 1[edit]
- Propose upmerging...
- Category:Pretenders to the Austrian throne (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Bavarian throne (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the German throne (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Greek throne (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Iraqi throne (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Italian throne (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Laotian throne (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Libyan throne (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the throne of Morocco (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the throne of the Mughal Empire (2 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Rwandan throne (2 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the throne of Schaumburg-Lippe (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Schwarzburg thrones (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Sicilian throne (2 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the throne of Sikkim (1 P)
- Category:Claimants of the Sultanate of Sulu throne (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the throne of Zanzibar (1 P)
- ...to Category:Pretenders for now.
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MFN. All these cats have fewer than 5 articles in them, and therefore hardly aid navigation. I am preparing other discussions on lists and categories of pretenders (see User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Line of succession to the former X throne), but this is an easy first step. NLeeuw (talk) 18:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:20th-century Spanish Roman Catholics[edit]
Category:12th-century Arab historians[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated category. Upmerge to 12th-century historians of the medieval Islamic world Mason (talk) 17:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I have been making efforts to phase out the Category:Medieval Islamic world WP:OR WP:ARBITRARYCAT tree, step by step. I gave it a break in September, but I still think the whole tree should be phased out. Isolation is not a problem; the real issue is creating pseudo-historical unity where there was none for WP:POV reasons. NLeeuw (talk) 18:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Painters of the Holy Land pre-1948[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Painters of the Holy Land pre-1948 to Category:???????
- Nominator's rationale: I'm not really sure what to do with this category name, because it isn't particularly helpful/descriptive. Is this painters from after 1948 who painted the "holy land" or is it painters of what the "holy land" looked like after 1948. Mason (talk) 13:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, among Category:Painters by theme this concerns an extremely narrow theme. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge to Category:Landscape painters for now, with prejudice, as "Holy Land" is a WP:POV term. If anyone wants to revive the catname in the future, it needs a compelling justification. NLeeuw (talk) 20:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on deletion/merging?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep' The nomination seems confused, perhaps fatally - the category is "PRE-1948" so it is not for "painters from after 1948 who painted the "holy land" or is it painters of what the "holy land" looked like after 1948." In the 19th-century context "Holy Land" is certainly the term that would have been used by the artists and their publics, & I don't think it is POV. If people want to delete it on those grounds they should think of alternatives, as it seems a valid category. Rather than being "an extremely narrow theme", it saw a big boom in the 19th century, partly as a branch of Orientalist painting. The category misses the most famous people, at least in the Anglosphere - where are William Holman Hunt, Edward Lear, James Tissot and many others? Johnbod (talk) 15:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Former high schools in Tokyo[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Former high schools in Tokyo to Category:Defunct high schools in Japan and Category:High schools in Tokyo
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. No need to diffuse highschools within a specific populated place and status (Defunct vs current; note that one of the targets is currently being speedy renamed from Category:Former high schools in Japan) Mason (talk) 14:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Legendary creatures[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Legendary creatures to Category:Folklore creatures
- Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, largely overlapping categories. I will tag both categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Male ghosts[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection with gender. Merging is not necessary, the single article is already in Category:Asian ghosts. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. And I would also support containerizing Category:Female ghosts, to discourage gendering individual ghosts Mason (talk) 14:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:People educated at Skerry's College[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. Skerry's College wasn't an individual college, it was a series of courses that preped you for the civil servants examine. Mason (talk) 04:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:British LGBT civil servants[edit]
- Propose merging Category:British LGBT civil servants to Category:British civil servants
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between being LGBT and being a civil servant. Per EGRS, the intersection must be relevant. Notably, there isn't a LGBT civil servant category. Mason (talk) 04:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge, a number of articles are already deeper in the tree of Category:British civil servants, e.g. diplomats or MI5. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rhythm games[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Rhythm games to Category:Music video games
- Nominator's rationale: Some may not agree with me but there are several reasons I have for this merge. First of all, many video games labeled as a rhythm game in their articles are instead located in Category:Music video games, and now especially since I recently removed all subcategories in this category except for Rhythmic action games. Secondly, the five languages that this category is also in (please ignore the French version since it has over a hundred articles but was created over a decade ago unlike the English version) have only a few articles in each one. Finally, rhythm game and music game may be different things, but the category for music video games as whole contains subcategories for various types of music game, often distinct from rhythm games, such as Karaoke or Dance games. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, I can't really see a problem here, neither of the three arguments is convincing. If many articles about rhythm games are not in this category yet, they should be added. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Rhythm games are a distinct genre unto themselves with their own article separate from music games. Not all music games are rhythm based. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close, I guess this didn't really mean anything at the end. My bad. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 18:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Video games about undead and monsters[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Video games about undead to Category:Video games about legendary creatures
- Propose merging Category:Video games about monsters to Category:Video games about legendary creatures
- Nominator's rationale: I honestly want the category Video games about legendary creatures to be reverted, neither category alone is very populated in either way. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 03:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this would remove the content from the tree of Category:Undead in popular culture and Category:Fiction about monsters respectively, with no good reason for it. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Because you "want" something is not an argument. And subcategories that are populated still means the parent category is populated, unless it's a non-defining intersection. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Federation of Asian Muaythai Associations member associations[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Federation of Asian Muaythai Associations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:National members of International Federation of Muaythai Associations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Federation of Asian Muaythai Associations member associations to Category:International Federation of Muaythai Associations
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Multiple redundant category layers Mason (talk) 02:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Music series[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Music series to Category:Music (video game series)
- Nominator's rationale: So it is a video game series titled "Music". "Music series" is a bit to board i think. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, this needs a disambiguator, article Music (video game) contains a disambiguator too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Per reasoning of the nominator. That's what the series article would be called if there was one. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rota (island)[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Rota (island) to Category:Rota, Northern Mariana Islands
- Nominator's rationale: To match article name - moved due to recent consensus that WP:USPLACE covers U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per WP:C2D: Rota, Northern Mariana Islands. NLeeuw (talk) 18:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Tinian[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Tinian to Category:Tinian, Northern Mariana Islands
- Nominator's rationale: To match article name, which was changed per recent consensus that WP:USPLACE applies to U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I believe it does. See Category:San Juan, Puerto Rico and Category:Hagåtña, Guam. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- That said Pago Pago, American Samoa and Category:Pago Pago don't match either. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Saipan[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Saipan to Category:Saipan, Northern Mariana Islands
- Nominator's rationale: To match the article name, which was just changed because of recent consensus that WP:USPLACE applies to U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Besides articles about towns on Saipan are formatted as "town, Saipan", not as "town, Northern Mariana Islands". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: After purging, there is a single member of the category (Roman Polanski sexual abuse case). Upmerge to parents for now without prejudice against recreation if it can be appropriately populated. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, per nom, but I think that Category:Obscenity controversies in film is not a good place for the article. That seems about what happens in films. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)