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Flags in a nutshell: Austria-Hungary had no official flag and the consensus, established over a number of years, is not to display any flags in the infobox. Any attempt to overturn this would need to take account of the past discussions:
Third paragraph, lead section:
“With the exception of the territory of Bosnian Condominium, Empire of Austria and the Kingdom of Hungary were separate sovereign countries in international law.”
Should be: “With the exception of the territory of the Bosnian Condominium, the Empire of Austria and the Kingdom of Hungary were separate sovereign countries in international law.” 2A00:23C6:95CE:B401:80C0:D1D5:C2F2:9EC7 (talk) 21:25, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I took this article on for the GOCE backlog drive. I cut this down to the degree I could but, not being well-read on this subject, trimming is all I could accomplish. The child articles really need sourcing and development so this article can be a well-sourced summary. That's more than I can accomplish for GOCE. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:29, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A simple way to show the flags of Austria-Hungary in the info box: a proposal (no further replies on this thread)[edit]
Hello, i've heard a lot about the discourse over the simple inclusion of flags for representing the nation, or rather, dual monarchy, or, something like what Great Britain is. The whole debacle about the civil ensign being used as the flag apparently goes back to before Wikipedia was established, when it was being shown as the official flag in some encyclopedias. I wanted to throw some ideas out for how to represent the flags of Austria-Hungary.
1. austrian flags on one side, coat of arms in the middle, hungarian flags on the other, bosnian flags on the bottom.
This is fairly simple, on the left side of the CoA, you have Cisleithania's main flag, on the right, you have Transleithania's, and below, you have Bosnia's.
2. the main flag used (aka the cisleithanian flag), with the other flags in a section explaining the other countries.
This is like how the UK wiki page does it. Personally, I would go with this one. The ensigns could also be explained in another section, and the provinces & flags of the 3 countries could be explained on another page.
Why is it important to do this when it bloats the infobox and Flags of Austria-Hungary is its own page? There's this impulse that information on sovereign states must prioritize flags the way we are familiar with—it is simply anachronistic, and indulging it is misleading. We don't need more elaborate ideas on how to present the flags because the flags were not that important to this particular polity. Remsense留 22:37, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I extremely disagree. Along with the name the flag is one of the representatives of a nation. Getting it wrong is as serious a mistake as getting the name completely wrong Semprogno (talk) 09:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your perspective is extremely recent and would have been foreign to most Europeans prior to the 19th century. Speaking of a "nation" in the context of Austria-Hungary of all polities is telling. Remsense诉 20:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Plus there's no consensus (as found by the RfC) that there was a flag. DeCausa (talk) 22:32, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do I think? I think this thread should be closed as soon as possible. The options you state were edit warred over many years which seriously destabilised this article. There are strong off- and on-wiki POVs at play. The current "no flags" compromise was adopted two years ago and since then peace has reigned. Opening up this issue again is not only pointless but highly disruptive. DeCausa (talk) 22:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I wasnt even trying to start some argument, I was just suggesting a simple way to represent the flags of Austria Hungary, based off of how the flags of the UK are represented 2601:5C4:8100:1E70:4460:595B:A671:3942 (talk) 16:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thats not how they are presented though LegalSmeagolian (talk) 18:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am in fact for the wiki page without flags Semprogno (talk) 06:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2024[edit]
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Please add the Austrian Empire Flag since that was the main flag of Austria-Hungary. Makenake123 (talk) 20:10, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: This change was made several times in the last year and quickly reverted. See the discussion above. Jamedeus (talk) 20:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was no such a thing as "main flag" in Austria neither in Hungary. They had separate flags.--Kivasalo (talk) 12:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The current way the flag of Austria-Hungary is shown, as of 5/26/2024[edit]
While I appreciate the dedication to accuracy (and covering all of your bases,) whoever made the edit included the "military standard" of Austria-Hungary, unless I am mistaken, when they intended to include the flag of the Emperor and Empress. Furthermore, I don't believe showing the flag of the Emperor and Empress, or a military standard if that's what they wanted to do, is needed at all. The way I personally would represent Austria-Hungary in flags accurately would be to show the black and yellow Habsburg banner, over the flag of the Kingdom of Hungary, which is over the flag of the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia. If you see the way the article Lands of the Crown of Saint Stephen showcases both the flag of Hungary and Croatia, I would love to show this in a similar manner, just with 3 flags as the law in Transleithania required the flag of Hungary and Croatia be alongside each other or otherwise represented in the Hungarian diet and House of Magnates. If that is not possible, or not preferential, I would suggest merely showing the Habsburg banner of black and yellow and the "civil" flag of Hungary, without any coat of arms, as this was a common combination of flags to be flown contemporarily in the empire. Of course I would prefer flying the 3 flags, as by Transleithanian law Croatia-Slavonia had to be represented, and thus the flag of Hungary cannot suffice. If these changes cannot be made, I just suggest reverting back to showing the "see also Flags of Austria-Hungary," as it worked and prevented any discourse over it for the time it existed. Edit: It appears that it has been reverted back to the "see also Flags of Austria-Hungary." so this talk is essentially pointless unless you want to implement the changes I suggested. Hestatus24 (talk) 01:19, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done: This change was made several times in the last year and quickly reverted. See the discussion above. Jamedeus (talk) 20:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)