Talk:Hendrik van den Keere

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A fact from Hendrik van den Keere appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 August 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in the 1570s in Ghent, Hendrik van den Keere pioneered a "narrow, dense and sharp" new style of typeface, later called the Dutch taste?

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The result was: promoted by Pi (talk) 18:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that in the 1570s in Ghent, Hendrik van den Keere pioneered a "narrow, dense and sharp" new style of typeface, later called the Dutch taste? Sources include: books and articles by Baines & Haslam, James Mosley, Jan Middendorp, Paul Shaw.
- ALT1:... that Hendrik van den Keere pioneered a "narrow, dense and sharp" new style of typeface, later called the Dutch taste? Sources: as above

Reviewed: Ertapenem

Created by Blythwood (talk). Self-nominated at 19:11, 4 August 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Article creation versus filing date okay. Article length okay at 5539 B (931 words) readable prose size. Article neutral and well sourced, and I do not see any evident signs of copyvio. QPQ done. Hooks are well within length limit and are neutrally phrased. Between the two I prefer ALT0, since the reader will probably be more intrigued by what an aggressive typeface is knowing how long ago it was.

However, that brings up a problem: the word "aggressive" used in the hooks is not in the article itself. And it needs to be clear whether Keere's style of typeface was considered aggressive back in the 1570s, or now, and by whom.

Some other MoS comments beyond the DYK criteria: Date ranges and page ranges should use endashes not hyphens, per MOS:RANGES. The page ranges themselves are inconsistent regarding whether the end number is in full or abbreviated form. The full link to type colour should probably be used, because many readers will be unfamiliar with this meaning of "colour". The link to Display typeface is best moved out of the quote per MOS:LINKQUOTE – it can go underneath the earlier "display roman". Wasted Time R (talk) 16:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wasted Time R, thanks for the review. This is really great advice. Looking through the sources, I've decided to swap in Kris Sowersby's quote, "narrow, dense and sharp", which I think is the most quotable and succinct of the sources. They say similar things: most similarly Shaw "dark colour, tall x-height, and sharp serifs", also Middendorp "heavier and slightly more condensed", Mosley "slightly more condensed...darker and larger on its body", but Sowersby gets it into three words nicely. I think I've now fixed the things you pointed to in the review as well. Blythwood (talk) 18:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Revised hook is in article and source verified. Other changes look good, thanks. Ready to go. Wasted Time R (talk) 22:38, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]