Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2015 Africa Cup of Nations Final/archive1
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2015 Africa Cup of Nations Final[edit]
My article at 2017 Africa Cup of Nations Final recently became featured, so I'm now moving on to the 2015 edition of the same competition. The Africa Cup of Nations is the continent's premier tournament for national teams, equivalent to the UEFA European Championship in Europe, and second only to the FIFA World Cup in terms of prestige for African teams. The 2015 final featured Ghana and the Ivory Coast, 4-time- and 1-time-winners respectively. The game was unfortunately not the most exciting ever, finishing 0–0 with few chances for either side. The championship was therefore settled by a penalty shoot-out, which Ivory Coast won 9–8 after Ghana's goalkeeper missed a kick against his opposite number, and he Ivorian goalkeeper then scored. Note that I have another FAC currently open at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/UEFA Euro 2008 Final/archive1, in which I'm a co-nominator, (and more feedback on that one is certainly welcomed!) while this one's a solo nomination. — Amakuru (talk) 11:06, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Image licensing is OK, but I don't see where the information in File:CIV-GHA-2015-02-08.png is cited either in the image description or the article (it should be easily verifiable in both places). (t · c) buidhe 11:44, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Buidhe: I have sourced the information to the BBC Sport page, and put a citation both in the file and in the article (ref [33] against the two team names). There were some slight discrepancies between the BBC's version of the formation and the one in the file, so I've updated the file to match. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 15:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Support from Edwininlondon[edit]
Nice to see you building up a collection of FAs for African football. With the caveats that I am neither an expert in African football nor a native speaker of English, here are my comments:
- Check the article for MOS:NUM issues. In 2017 Africa Cup of Nations Final we have "The tournament consisted of sixteen teams who had qualified for the event, divided into four round-robin groups consisting of four teams" but here we have "The tournament consisted of 16 teams, who were divided into 4 groups of 4, each team playing the other 3 group members once in a round-robin format."
- I think the same problem was in 2017 re that paragraph, so I've amended to match that. Also a couple of 10 -> ten re penalties and players. Other than that, I can't see any obvious inconsistencies. Times of the match are all digits, while most other bits and bobs are lower numbers written as words. — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- OK. I too think the times of the match have to be in digits.
- link sudden death perhaps?
- Ghana also appeared --> repetition of the word also
- Ghana were placed in Group C --> this suggests a deliberate act. Was it? Usually it is a random draw
- after 14 minutes through a André Ayew penalty, after --> repetition of after
- The match remained goal-less until injury time at the end in the second half, and Ghana appeared poised to exit the tournament. --> this confused me: it makes me believe Algeria scored
- Right. It was based on the BBC article's phrasing "dramatic late winner to keep alive his side's hopes of reaching the Africa Cup of Nations quarter-finals", but in reality I don't think Ghana would have been completely eliminated even if they'd not won. So I've removed that aspect and just left the fact that they scored a last minute winner. — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- drive --> needs either a better description or a link
- I guess it means a straight shot, but the Glossary of association football terms doesn't even cover it. So just changed to "shot". — Amakuru (talk) 16:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- being in the ascendency --> this is a bit too cryptic for me
- midway through the second half sealed --> that is the 3rd "seal" in short succession.
- Summary --> in 2017 Africa Cup of Nations Final this section was called Match. Why is this idfferent?
- a studs-first high foul --> I don't think you need that "high", and studs should probably be linked
- with a run and shot from 25 yards (23 m) by Mubarak, but his shot was blocked by Tiene --> not the most elegant sentence. A rewrite would be nice
- having taken a kick, the two goalkeepers were required to take a kick --> having had a turn, the two goalkeepers were required to take a kick
- There is an empty External links section
- Technically it's not empty, as there's a {{Commons category}} template in there. It's over on the right though, so maybe looks odd. Happy to take any advice on this. — Amakuru (talk) 16:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- 2017 Africa Cup of Nations Final has a See also section. Add one here too?
- Yeah OK. 2017 Africa Cup of Nations knockout stage is vaguely useful as a "parent" to this article I suppose. — Amakuru (talk) 16:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
That's all from me. Edwininlondon (talk) 12:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Edwininlondon: all points addressed I think. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 16:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- All looks good to me, a comprehensive account of the match. I Support on prose. If you have some spare time, perhaps you might fancy taking a look at my FAC nomination, also a football article: Manon Melis. Thanks. Edwininlondon (talk) 18:41, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
CommentsSupport by Z1720[edit]
Non-expert prose review.
- "Then Ghana's Christian Atsu had what writers" Delete then, as it is assumed that this happened afterwards and is redundant.
- I think the third paragraph in the lede needs to be expanded, with more information about the aftermath of this match.
- "It was originally scheduled to take place in Morocco, but the Confederation of African Football (CAF) made the decision to move it to Equatorial Guinea in 2014. Morocco had requested a postponement as a result of the ongoing Western African Ebola virus epidemic, but CAF refused and instead decided to remove Morocco's rights to host the event" -> Morocco was originally chosen to host the event, but the country requested a postponement of the event because of the Western African Ebola virus epidemic. CAF refused, and instead moved the event to Equatorial Guinea in 2014." This tightens up the language a little bit.
- "their sole victory coming in 1992 when they defeated Ghana on sudden death in a penalty shootout at the end of a goalless draw at the Stade de l'Amitié in Dakar, Senegal." The text after draw can be deleted, as we already know what year this event took place in and the location of the 1992 event is not important for this article.
- "In their second game, Ghana faced Algeria, on 23 January in Mongomo." Delete the second comma
- "The match remained goal-less" In the section before, it is spelt goalless. Which is correct for your style of English?
- "when Ghana who took the lead, Asamoah Gyan scoring from a long pass by Mubarak Wakaso." -> "when Ghana took the lead after Asamoah Gyan scored from a long pass by Mubarak Wakaso."
- "an Ayew winner gave them a 2–1 win and first place in the group." -> an Ayew goal?
- "but Ivory Coast nonetheless earned a draw with a Seydou Doumbia equaliser on 72 minutes." delete nevertheless as redundant.
- "and a goal by Wilfried Kanon midway through the second half complete their second consecutive 3–1 win and a place in the final." Change to "completed their"
- "The first chance of the game fell to Yaya Touré on 12 minutes, with a free kick, but despite him clearing the wall, his shot went straight to Ghanaian goalkeeper Brimah Razak, who caught it." -> "Yaya Touré had the first chance to score in the game on 12 minutes; he cleared the wall on a free kick but his shot went straight to Ghanaian goalkeeper Brimah Razak, who caught it." This removed "fell to", which is an idiom since the ball did not literally fall to Toure, and it removes some of the commas.
- "Ghana were attempting to find Atsu with a series of long passes," What does it mean to find someone? Please reword.
- "Ivory Coast launched an attack down the right on 33 minutes, through Bailly and Gradel, the latter attempting to find Gervinho in the penalty area, but despite a defensive error from Boye, Razak was able to collect the ball." -> "Ivory Coast launched an attack down the right on 33 minutes, through Bailly and Gradel, with the latter attempting to find Gervinho in the penalty area. Despite a defensive error from Boye, Razak was able to collect the ball." This separates the sentences and reduces commas.
- Earlier in the article, it stated the country's FIFA scores before the tournament. Did the teams advance or decline in the standings as a result of this tournament?
Those are my comments. Please ping when the above are resolved. Z1720 (talk) 21:51, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Z1720: apologies for the delay, I've now looked at all your points here. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 14:17, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Support from TRM[edit]
- "qualified for the final by finishing as the winners of Group C and then" assumes our readers know what "Group C" is, perhaps you could make it "their qualifying group" or something and reword to avoid being over-"qualified" in that sentence.
- "Ghanaian wall with" link wall to gloss.
- post/goalpost. I saw a review recently which asked me to be consistent with similar terms......
- Why is BBC Sport in italics when our article is at BBC Sport?
- Maybe this is BBC Sport as a website purveying information to the public, which is published by BBC Sport the publisher. It's getting a bit frustrating because different people seem to ask for different things when it comes to this, and my understanding is that as long as the styling is consistent and logical, it doesn't have to conform exactly to the way other pages do it. See for example 2017 Africa Cup of Nations Final, which is a recently-reviewed FA where BBC Sport is italicised. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 11:58, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Don't get frustrated on my behalf, I'll settle for internal consistency. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:01, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe this is BBC Sport as a website purveying information to the public, which is published by BBC Sport the publisher. It's getting a bit frustrating because different people seem to ask for different things when it comes to this, and my understanding is that as long as the styling is consistent and logical, it doesn't have to conform exactly to the way other pages do it. See for example 2017 Africa Cup of Nations Final, which is a recently-reviewed FA where BBC Sport is italicised. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 11:58, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- "Ghana's Afriyie Acquah was" already linked.
- "the group stage" link?
- "the Confederation of African Football (CAF), is the ... The Confederation of African Football (CAF) refused..." overlinked and no need to re-abbreviate.
- "the event, but the country requested a postponement of the event" probably axe the second "of the event".
- "Group C for the group phase" group/group...
- "a André Ayew penalty" link PK.
- "been fouled" link foul.
- "Substitute Moussa Sow then" his name was Substitute Moussa Sow? (bit sea of blue)
- "quarter finals" hyphen.
- "reporters for BBC Sport as" you linked BBC Sport here but not in the lead. Same comment re: italics.
- "placed the ball" sounds a bit "handy".
- "complete a comfortable 3–0 win' POV
- "Ghana's substitutes on' you've already linked substitute, although to a different target.
- "Group stage and knockouts" doesn't seem adequate for caption, perhaps include whose group/KOs in each one?
- Titles amended as per UEFA Euro 2008 Final, which looks like it does a good job. — Amakuru (talk) 14:00, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Also, perhaps some abbrevation pop-up for QF/SF? Is it clear to a non-expert the three games above the thick line are group/round-robin and those below are knockout?
- Abbreviation added, and other text as per UEFA Euro 2008 Final, which looks like it does a good job. — Amakuru (talk) 14:00, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- "to the Ebola epidemic" (and the one mentioned in the background) - any links?
- "amid some poor Ivorian defending" POV.
- "the Estadio de Bata" which is where?
- "long-range follow-up easily" shot
- "first foul on" should have been linked further back.
- "Atsu sent a cross into the Ivory Coast penalty area" cross overlinked, link penalty area.
- Removed the link. Penalty area is linked in the first sentence of this paragraph though.
- Forgot, a bit earlier, link "with a free kick, but" free kick.
- "sudden-death" is there a link for this?
- "Wakaso Mubarak" our article has him at 'Mubarak Wakaso'
- "game on 25 minutes, when he hit the goalpost " vs "snapshot that hit the post after 26 minutes"...
- "2nd place" etc, i think you can go second/third here.
- "eliminated in the group stage" link?
- Ref 6, can add contributors and a last updated as publication date.
- I've added the first publication date. Not sure about contributors, it seems to be attributed to a nebulous "The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica". What would you recommend? — Amakuru (talk) 13:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Ref 27 is ESPN but you only have PA. And PA is an agency in some of the other refs, e.g. 21, so shouldn't you include it there?
- Ref 29/33 both France 24 but not linked, and one (33) has a publisher.
- Ref 35, what makes GhanaWeb a high-quality RS?
- It was queried at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_214#Ghanaian_websites, and the response there was that it should be reliable due to its full editorial oversight. — Amakuru (talk) 13:54, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Ref 36, looks like Mike Hutchings is the author.
- Ref 40, not sure you need both FIFA.com and FIFA.
That's all I have. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:41, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: I think I've looked at all your points now. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 14:00, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Ok, cool, happy to support as my concerns have been generally addressed. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:44, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Source review from TRM - pass[edit]
Reliable editor using high quality sources, I'll just comment on those refs I find which might need to be addressed. To avoid ref confusion if any get switched around, I'm looking at this version of the page.
- Ref 4 - fine, but our article on Deutsche Welle says it's a publisher so needn't be italicised.
- Ref 6 - I have seen Encyc. Brit. sources give the names of the contributors for the version being referenced.
- Ref 7 - just leads to the current rankings, not the historical rankings so could use instructions on to get to the page you intend unless a perma-link can be provided.
- Ref 10 - our article doesn't italicise Sportsnet.
- Ref 12 - I get a publication date of 24 January 2015.
- Ref 19 - We don't normally italicise Reuters.
- Ref 21 - I guess since you call out AP in ref 10, you ought to do the same for PA Media here.
- I've agencied it as Press Association, per [27] — Amakuru (talk) 17:23, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- Ref 22 - Reuters again, which is worse because of ...
- ... Ref 23 - Reuters is not italicised here.
- Ref 24 - what makes Once A Metro high quality RS?
- Ref 26 - author name missing.
- Ref 27 - showing dead for me.
- Ref 29 - last modified on 5 February 2015.
- Ref 30 - no access-date.
- Ref 34 - author name missing.
That's all I have, no major concerns with any of the other refs. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:27, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: I think I've looked at all of the above. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 18:27, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: (I missed one, all done for real now). — Amakuru (talk) 18:29, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I can't see any further issues so happy to pass the source review now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:58, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: (I missed one, all done for real now). — Amakuru (talk) 18:29, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: I think I've looked at all of the above. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 18:27, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
@FAC coordinators: with the customary three supports/image/source review in place, can I nominate another candidate please? Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 19:19, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 15:43, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
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